Bilionce ko hoce za IBM da radi Lindzu na high end PPC64

IBM proffers $1bn for Linux development on Power Rising open source tide carries all boats, IBM hopes

After opening up its Power chips to bit fiddlers through an ARM-style licensee model, IBM is pouring $1bn into Linux development on the architecture.
The $1bn commitment to Linux on Power was announced by IBM on Tuesday[/URL] at the Linux conference in New Orleans, and follows Big Blue letting licensees fiddle with Power chips through the OpenPower Consortium that was [URL=“http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/06/ibm_opens_up_power_chips_armstyle_to_take_on_chipzilla/”]revealed in August.

The one-two punch combination of letting major tech firms such as Google and Nvidia license and pick apart the chips, and chucking money toward development of Linux and Linux-based applications running on top of Power, can be seen as IBM’s attempt to create a niche for the Power architecture that is defensible in an age where Intel/AMD x86 and ARM systems are set to rule servers, computers, and mobile devices.
Though IBM makes a ton of money off of its server business – the company was ranked the number-one server shipper by revenue by the Excel-cultists at Gartner in the second quarter of 2013 – the number of servers it ships is far less than companies like HP and Dell, and its traditional UNIX market is stagnating.
“The era of big data calls for a new approach to IT systems; one that is open, customizable, and designed from the ground up to handle big data and cloud workloads,” IBM veep of power development Brad McCredie said in a canned statement.
As part of its $1bn investment, IBM has created a “Power Systems Linux Center” in Montpelier, France, where software developers will build various fashionable apps (eg., big data! cloud! mobile! social business computing!) on Linux and POWER7+ tech.
The company will also grow its Power Systems cloud, which lets developers remotely access Power, AIX, and IBM i gear on which to prototype, build, port, and test Linux apps.
“The $1 billion will be applied to Power Systems product research, design, and development, and will fund a variety of ecosystem skills and enablement programs for clients, developers, business partners, entrepreneurs, academics and students,” an IBM spokesman told El Reg on Tuesday. “This spans Power Systems hardware technologies, helping ISVs bring more applications to the Power platform – especially for big data and cloud computing – and marketing and sales programs.”
At the time of writing, IBM had not responded to further requests for information about the investment. The development money comes at a time that IBM is hugging other open source technologies, such as the MongoDB NoSQL database and the VMware-backed Cloud Foundry platform-as-a-service cloud.
Given the mammoth scale of IBM’s organization, and its huge headcount, we would note that a wedge of that $1bn could come from moving money from Column A of Big Blue’s existing Power development team to the new Column B. ®

Za one koji su mozda bezali sa engleskog (mada su geekovi kad tad naucili :slight_smile:

IBM nudi bilionce ko hoce da radi za PPC64 high end POWER arhitektutu i nudi licenciranje CPUa … ja imam low end ko hoce da se vezba, ali uzimam 10% :slight_smile:
Doduse ne javno, vec otvara centar u Francuskoj, pa ko stigne do radne dozvole tame ako ume da se dokaze, eto dokaza da je ulaganje vremena i znanja
u Linux potencijalno isplativo :slight_smile:

A bice izvesno i POWER8 i POWER9 i vozice Linux.

Mocni Linuks na mocnom Pisiju :slight_smile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_on_Power

Valjda ce POWER7 da skine onaj Athlon XP :slight_smile:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_POWER_microprocessors#POWER7

Dani slave
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Gene
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#Licenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC#Operating_systems_with_native_support

U Amiga svetu, AmigaOne x1000 dobija naslednika
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37889&forum=33

Javili su se već u Debianu - oće drugu arhitekturu :connie_pumpkinsmile: .

http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2013/09/msg00045.html

I cipovi su “otvorenI” valjda ce makar neki Kinezi ili nVIDIA da naprave plocu
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/08/06/ibm_opens_up_power_chips_armstyle_to_take_on_chipzilla/

A do tada je samo X1000 ograniceno nabavljiv da je PPC64, Altivec plus minus

Meni nije jasan ovaj IBM-ov potez… ali iskreno šta ovim hoće da postignu pranje para možda?

Nama Srbima je sve sumnjivo, ali treba razumeti da PPC jeste pukao za konzole, i osim X1000/X2000 nema desktop ploce,
imao je solidan uspeh na trzistu konzola (doduse tome dodje kraj) ali ima uspeha u embed trzistu prosto zato sto je i tu
dugo prisutan i nesto uspeha u IBM serverskom segmentu.

Najbolji OS za PPC je za sada LINUX u smislu aplikacija i toga koji sve hardver podrzava.
pa nije ni cudo da moraju da uloze u njega, dokle god jos proizvode procesore.

Naravno zvuci vrlo marketinski i ohrabrujuci za musterije, koje su npr. i vojne i drzavne institucije,
nije sve u hardveru za narod (gde je x64 100% segmenta) ili tableta i mobilnih (gde ARM dominira).

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/42065/reasons-for-popularity-of-powerpc-for-embedded-designs

Ipak, tuzna sudbina chipa koji je u pocetku bio brzi od x86 i dizajniran je da bude RISC pre nego sto je intel poceo
sa CISC-RISC tranzicijom (mislim da su tehnoloski PentiumPro i Pentium II/III)

http://beta.fool.com/markhibben/2013/03/13/can-intel-do-to-arm-what-it-did-to-powerpc/27078/
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20081010005226/en/Opportunities-PowerPC-Embedded-Processing-Analysis-Market-PowerPC-Based

A nekada …

Svaki Mek je bio PowerPC a Dzobs je drugu pesmu pevao :slight_smile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9VWRB07yqc

http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5009

I hibridni cip koji nikada nije zaziveo …

PowerPC 615

The “PowerPC 615” is a little-known PowerPC processor announced by IBM in 1994. Its main feature was to incorporate an x86[/URL] core on die, thus making the processor able to natively process both PowerPC and x86 instructions. An operating system running on PowerPC 615 could either chose to execute 32-bit or 64-bit PowerPC instructions, 32-bit x86 instructions or a mix of three. Mixing instructions would involve a context switch in the CPU with a small overhead. The only operating systems that supported the 615 were [URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minix”]Minix[/URL] and a special development version of [URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2”]OS/2.
It was 330 mm² large and manufactured by IBM on a 0.35 µm process. It was pin compatible with Intel[/URL]'s [URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium”]Pentium[/URL] processors and comparable in speed. The processor was only produced in prototype examples and the program was killed in part by the fact that [URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft”]Microsoft[/URL] would probably never give support for the processor. Engineers working on the PowerPC 615 would later find their way to [URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta”]Transmeta[/URL] where they worked on the [URL=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmeta_Crusoe”]Crusoe processor.

Ne govorim ovo sa gledišta Srbina već sa gledišta kako će ovo meni, tebi, peri i žiki, Johansu iz Norveške, Mareti iz Londona, Jafetu iz Emirata i ostalim običnim ljudima da znači, razumeš?

Ova vest da će milijarda da se uloži mi nije izazvala ama baš nikakvu reakciju čak ni privremeni “WoooW” efekat jer kao što si i sam u drugom pasusu rekao nije milijarda namenjana desktop korisniku već namenskoj industriji a to me neinteresuje kao predpostavljam i 99.9% ljudi na planeti (onaj 0,1% su direktori namenske industrije).

Jobs je na vreme onomad 2006 bio pametan i odjebao tu arhitekturu jer je kao i oduvek bio vizionar i znao da će u budućnosti biti samo problema jer da Mac do 2006 godine nije terao PPC, pitanje je da li bi iko od nas i čuo za neki ozbiljniji projekat na PPC*u i šta je to fakat PPC!? Da budemo iskreni i realni…

Prema tome, korist od ovoga će imati samo vojne industrije možda medicinske i tome slično, za nas je ova vest bitna isto kao i da si pročitao da je opala prodaja i potražnja sintetičkih etisona u Abu Dabiju…

Slazem se da je to vise balon, realnost je razvojni centar za PPC Linux u Francuskoj, Americke firme.

Sto se tice vizionarstva, Apple je bio deo koalicije koji je takodje trebao da ulaze u razvoj i istrazivanje PPC procesora,
nije bas G5 bio toliko los u svoje vreme.

Dokaz za to je npr, da na G5 Mekovia brze radi Photoshop nego na x64 kada se emulira PPC (iako je potonja
masina zver vise godina kasnije). Potez nije los, ali je zajedno sa ukidanjem razvoja PA-Semija takodje
Appleov noz u ledja delimicno i sopstvenom detetu.

U svakom slucaju, taj PPC nikako da umre :slight_smile: Nesto slicno kao Amiga, a sad povezano

Baš - teško da će imalo love otići van velikih kompanija ;).

Ali šta tebe briga što je procesor 64-bit, kada ionako teraš 32-bit utuntu userland - ti ne teraš full ppc64 arhitekturu ;).

Tu sam se smorio kada sam video, mislim da je zbog softvera :slight_smile:

Naravno, taj Linux sto hocu da doinstaliram, ima da bude PPC64 :slight_smile:

A sad mnoge stvari kod PPC-a postaju OPen - BIOS Das Boot / CFE,
licenciranje i razvoj cipova, pa i sam konzorcijum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPOWER_Consortium#Partners

To moze da bude cudna simbioza open hardverske platforme u jednom smislu i Linuxa sa druge strane.

Dovoljno je da se npr. Kina uvati u krug, a sto se tice velikih igraca partneri PPC konzorcijuma
namesto Epla su Gugl i nVIDIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPOWER_Consortium#Partners
http://open-power.org/

Naravno da necete videti PPC cipove u narednom telefonu ili desktopu, ali neki tamo suludi
data centar, Abu Dabi … ce se vrteti na PPC Pingvinu :slight_smile:

da imamo Linux geekove, mogucnost IT posla u Francuskoj ne bi bila losa, makar ne bili ni milioni, neko ce to morati da radi
za Freescale i IBM procesore koji se jos proizvode. Dok ih ima. Kad ih nema - ima da ih nema :slight_smile:

Za neke sposobne pingvine, vest je mozda dobra, mada svakako prenaduvana :slight_smile:

Priča se da je sporiji ppc64, unlike amd64 vs i386 ali probaj ko bi ga znao ;). Izbor ti se sužava, Suse i RedHat ppc64 port ne rade na PA6T - pogađaj dvaput koji distro radi :biggrin: .

Debian i ovaj samoproklamovani Mint :slight_smile:
Zato se ja nadam da ce ovi IBM Francuzi da spakuju neki 64-bit PPC distro, pa opet samo da ubacimo X1000 kernel :slight_smile:

Nema taj “mint” ppc64 port, niti ih to zanima ;).

Pa to je iz razloga što je Photoshop prvobitno bio namenjen samo da trči i radi na OSX*u i Apple računarima, kasnije se uradio port za PC platformu i nakon nekih 2 godine je izašla i verzija koja je namesnki radjena za PC dakle nije port.

I dan danas kada treba da izadje nova verzija Adobe Suite*a prvo izadje za OSX pa tek posle 2 nedelje za PC.

Jedno eventualno obrazlozenje je IBM Server market share koji je na oko 40% i koji radi na Linuxu.
Zanimljivo je da je IBM navodno “vec ulozio bilionce u Linux”

http://blog.a-eon.biz/blog/?p=5055

The Power of big money
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IBM Power Linux support

In a previous blog I posted that IBM was forming an OpenPower consortium to licence its technology in an effort to promote its PowerPC platform. At the recent LinuxCon 2013 conference in New Orleans, IBM announced new plans to invest US$1 billion in new Linux and open source technologies for its Power Systems servers over the next five years. Apparently, the money is to be used to to help clients capitalise on big data and cloud computing in the post-PC era? As part of its initiative IBM opened a new Power Systems Linux Centre for developers, clients and partners in Montpelier, France to accompany the centres it had already opened in North America and Asia.
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IBM Power 7 Server

This new investment announcement comes twelve years after IBM infamously announced that is was backing the then unproven Linux platform with a US$1 billion investment. The executive director of the Linux Foundation, Jim Zemlin commented on IBM’s latest investment pledge, “The last time IBM committed $1 billion to Linux, it helped start a flurry of innovation that has never slowed. We look forward to seeing how the Power platform can bring about further innovation on Linux, and how companies and developers can work together to get the most out of this open architecture.” In a statement from IBM, Brad McCredie VP of Power Development said, "Many companies are struggling to manage big data and cloud computing using commodity servers based on decades-old, PC-era technology.
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Vendor Market Share (World-wide)

These servers are quickly overrun by data, which triggers the purchase of more servers, creating unsustainable server sprawl. The era of big data calls for a new approach to IT systems; one that is open, customizable, and designed from the ground up to handle big data and cloud workloads.” Lisa Orr Johnson, IBM’s VP of Worldwide Marketing added, “One Power processor can replace 10 Intel CPUs. This, in turn, will drastically reduce datacenter power and cooling costs.” Why should this be of any interest to Amigans you may well ask? With IBM continuing to pour money into support its Power Servers it means that there will be room and opportunity for competition from other PowerPC hardware developers and manufacturers to secure a piece of the growing server market which is currently estimated at ~US59 billion, of which IBM’s share is around ~28%. The market is expected to reach US67 billion by 2017, and while it’s currently dominated by x86 hardware, the upward and sustained growth in PowerPC based systems is expected to continue. That coupled with IBM’s OpenPower licence should help to drive PowerPC development for many years to come. Altogether now…who said PowerPC was dead! icon_wink.gif